Comments on: The US Forever http://greyswan.net/2008/05/the-us-forever/ A mostly unpredictable weblog Fri, 31 Jul 2009 01:22:12 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8 hourly 1 By: SFG http://greyswan.net/2008/05/the-us-forever/comment-page-1/#comment-112 SFG Fri, 31 Jul 2009 01:22:12 +0000 http://www.greyswan.net/2008/05/13/the-us-forever/#comment-112 America did maintain an informal empire in the New World; during the Cold War we overthrew plenty of democratic governments (allende etc.) we didn't like. Global capitalism can also be pretty nasty for third world countries. Sure we weren't the most evil empire in the world...but that's counting really nasty ones like the Mongols and the Nazis. Also, the Brits arguably left behind some good things like English, and ex-British colonies did better than ex-colonies of other nations. We didn't mess around that much in the Old World because we have two oceans protecting us. My argument for maintaining American hegemony as long as possible is simple: we are Americans, and it's good to be to the king. Even a declining America would be safe for a while--it's difficult to launch an overland invasion--but eventually China or Russia might feel safe making an agreement with Mexico. I actually think immigration would be ok if the engines of assimilation were still working, and some selectivity were maintained. That said I'm more worried about restoring our country's economic competitiveness through rebuilding our manufacturing base--it'll give us money in the long run by giving us stuff to sell, and we have to be able to pump out tanks at the drop of a hat should it become necessary. America did maintain an informal empire in the New World; during the Cold War we overthrew plenty of democratic governments (allende etc.) we didn’t like. Global capitalism can also be pretty nasty for third world countries. Sure we weren’t the most evil empire in the world…but that’s counting really nasty ones like the Mongols and the Nazis. Also, the Brits arguably left behind some good things like English, and ex-British colonies did better than ex-colonies of other nations. We didn’t mess around that much in the Old World because we have two oceans protecting us.

My argument for maintaining American hegemony as long as possible is simple: we are Americans, and it’s good to be to the king. Even a declining America would be safe for a while–it’s difficult to launch an overland invasion–but eventually China or Russia might feel safe making an agreement with Mexico.

I actually think immigration would be ok if the engines of assimilation were still working, and some selectivity were maintained. That said I’m more worried about restoring our country’s economic competitiveness through rebuilding our manufacturing base–it’ll give us money in the long run by giving us stuff to sell, and we have to be able to pump out tanks at the drop of a hat should it become necessary.

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]]> By: Andrew Yates http://greyswan.net/2008/05/the-us-forever/comment-page-1/#comment-87 Andrew Yates Sun, 18 May 2008 21:42:10 +0000 http://www.greyswan.net/2008/05/13/the-us-forever/#comment-87 This reads like the product of frustration rather than reasonable policy. 1) I understand what you are saying is that mass-importing grunt labor to artificially keep down labor costs is culturally irresponsible, but your "3rd world people" statement is too negatively distracting. 2) Sub-cultures tolerance can and does work. It's the secret behind the wild success of the Hellenistic empire. The problem is that no one seems to be assuming responsibility for American culture. See 1). For that matter, watch television. When "American culture" is for sale to the highest bidder, expect people to respect it with likewise reverance. 3) The problem is that social success has an inversely related with reproductive success, not that there's not enough people in America. This reads like the product of frustration rather than reasonable policy.

1) I understand what you are saying is that mass-importing grunt labor to artificially keep down labor costs is culturally irresponsible, but your “3rd world people” statement is too negatively distracting.

2) Sub-cultures tolerance can and does work. It’s the secret behind the wild success of the Hellenistic empire. The problem is that no one seems to be assuming responsibility for American culture. See 1). For that matter, watch television. When “American culture” is for sale to the highest bidder, expect people to respect it with likewise reverance.

3) The problem is that social success has an inversely related with reproductive success, not that there’s not enough people in America.

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